april 2012 went into mcloyd moonhouse ruins easy enough. but for those of you who feel the need to hike down cyn further the ''rickety ladder is stikk there BUT all broken up and is now soooo dangerous that you need at least a 140' rope to rap down where the ladder is, a little mis-leading dont even trust that broken rickety ladder if you think you can just climb down to it your taking your own life in your hands. just rappel down then spend the rest of the day with a ''full-on'' route finding chore, most people will not want to do this hike at all it takes calm nerves and you need to trust yourselve route finding abilities. the the ''really skinny ledge'' has extreme exposure about 300-400' straight down, but can be done, but your out in no-mans land and have to get out. so remember to be safe, respect slickrock cyn's tread lightly on the land,cause we are loving our deserts to death!!!!!.....DESERTDOG